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Rocktopus 26th Jun 2020, 8:25 PM edit delete
Hey guys, sorry about the delays! I've been dealing with some technical problems that have turned out to be way bigger than I thought. This might be the last page update until next month. I promise that things will return to normal by mid-July.

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Da5id 26th Jun 2020, 10:05 PM edit delete reply
Dang, bit of an overreaction....
Rocktopus 26th Jun 2020, 10:36 PM edit delete reply
Ozzi grew up in the slums of a giant city that is the center of a devoutly religious nation, and was part of a criminal gang in said slums.

The custom of men kissing is pretty alien to him.
DanMan 27th Jun 2020, 4:42 PM edit delete reply
Remembering his background makes his reaction a lot more reasonable (which does not seem to fit his laid back character). If you grew up in a place where people prey on the weak, you need to be defensive about people crossing the line. You learn to establish immediately you are not "prey" when they test your boundaries.

Of course the real let down is he know realizes he has no more chance with hotly half-dress then anyone else.
Guest 27th Jun 2020, 10:44 PM edit delete reply
Except his reaction is beyond any doubt fully reasonable without "remembering his background".
LurkerAbove 28th Jun 2020, 9:21 AM edit delete reply
That raises the question how Colleen got to know Ozzi,
given that Colleen grew up far from any 'giant city'.
chris-tar 26th Jun 2020, 10:18 PM edit delete reply
Is this whole same gender kissing thing a social experiment to see how your subscribers will react to it?
I think it is goofy, weird, and bizarre, but I guess overall funny... definitely weird though. LOL
But hey, this might become common in the very near future in any area controlled by democrats and democrat culture. LOL FREE LOVE!
Rocktopus 26th Jun 2020, 10:39 PM edit delete reply
lol no, nothing like that. I just wanted them to have a custom that would make him visibly uncomfortable when I was scripting, and I thought friendly kissing fit in with the hippie aesthetics of the wood elves in this world.
Guest 26th Jun 2020, 10:44 PM edit delete reply
"friendly" - forced, unprovoked and sudden kissing against a stranger... on the mouth........
Guest 26th Jun 2020, 11:59 PM edit delete reply
For the wood elves, it seems like kissing is sort of like shaking hands. It looks like they don't view it as something serious, romantic, or sexual (at least not in the kind of situation here) and would probably find calling it "forced" or "unprovoked" strange the same way you might think it was weird if someone got mad at you for a "forced, unprovoked" handshake.
Guest 27th Jun 2020, 12:20 AM edit delete reply
Gently, slowly leaning in and kissing is extremely different from forced, sudden and unprovoked kissing.
Guest 27th Jun 2020, 12:23 AM edit delete reply
And with handshakes, the hand is always held forward and awaits the other person shaking hands. It is part of the protocol of handshakes - you put your hand forward, and you wait for the other person to put your hand forward. If they don't put their hand forward, well, there's no handshake, and it might be rude of the other party. Such protocols, including consent and care, are very common in basic social interactions, and extra care is generally always taken with strangers (unless the action or intention is hostile, in which case protocol can be twisted, manipulated, skipped, etc.).
Guest 27th Jun 2020, 2:58 AM edit delete reply
Any social situations, especially those that involve physical contact between people, should involve consent and care, but that wood elf guy seems pretty dismissive about how Ozzi feels.
Guest 27th Jun 2020, 5:32 AM edit delete reply
Guest 27th Jun 2020, 2:58 AM: You write a number of weird or very weird things, framing things in an extremely strange way. And it wouldn't surprise me the slightest bit if you introduced such weirdness on purpose.

The whole situation is incredibly unrealistic and weird reg. the social aspects of it. Unless (as far as I can tell) the elves are fully aware of the wretched aspects of it and they use it as an excuse, cover and tactic to achieve various actions. And given the nature of what they do, as far as I can tell that does not allow many non-wretched and non-deeply-evil possibilities.

Many people use covers and tactics and manipulations; consider for instance this image, where a cover story is used to help achieve ludicrously extreme evil:

As an aside, what are your thoughts on that image from imgur?
Guest 28th Jun 2020, 2:16 AM edit delete reply
That imgur image is very disturbing.

The author stated in an earlier comment that he wanted the wood elves to have a part of their culture that would make Ozzi uncomfortable and fit with their hippie-like theme. The author has not flagged this comic as containing sexual situations on ComicFury, so I do not think anything beyond making Ozzi uncomfortable will happen here, as far as the kissing is concerned.

Based on the author's comment, I assume that the elf guy was telling the truth about what kissing means in their culture and not trying to be manipulative. I think that the elf guy should have checked with Ozzi (who, as a human, was obviously an outsider to their group) to see if he was okay with kissing him and should not have insulted Ozzi (the "tough guy" comment) and should not have brushed off his discomfort/anger as being unimportant or wrong. To the elves, the kissing is a normal, casual thing, but to Ozzi, it's more serious and disturbing.

If you are right about the elves actually being manipulative, we'll find out later in the comic.
Guest 28th Jun 2020, 3:17 PM edit delete reply
Guest with "That imgur image is very disturbing.":

Yeah, but the setting, situation, etc. themselves are incredibly strange and weird, and even given the fantastical and fantasy setting, it does not seem meaningful or make sense at all in multiple different ways. The setting itself reg. the elves and their behaviour seem completely screwed up and unrealistic even by the standards and "logic" of the fantastical.


No, even by the standards of the fantastical and what is alien, this seems incredibly weird and nonsensical.


A kiss on a cheek is a very far distance away from sudden and forced kissing on the mouth.
Guest 27th Jun 2020, 8:17 AM edit delete reply
Societies hardly ever actually operate that way, though. Or even anywhere close to that way.

Multiple people had to do things less-than-ideally to get to this point. Stella (leading Ozzi into this blind) and Ozzi (walking into it eyes closed and brain off) more than shirtless crafting elf. Who is, let's remember, not the first elf to surprise Ozzi with a kiss tonight...
Varyon 27th Jun 2020, 1:59 PM edit delete reply
Don't forget we've got WoG confirming kissing people to say "thanks" is part of fey culture. We've already seen so many cases of people generally dismissing other cultures in the story, it shouldn't surprise us when it happens here.
As for a sudden handshake being weird, I guess nobody has ever seen a movie where a character does something praiseworthy, and the person they helped grasps their hand and thanks them profusely? Or, heck, a kiss isn't that far removed from a hug, and it's not like sudden hugs as thanks are all that weird.
Guest 27th Jun 2020, 3:20 PM edit delete reply
It is true that Stella was the first to kiss, but a male forcefully, suddenly kissing someone is considerably different than a female doing so. Likewise as for the satyr forcefully, suddenly kissing Colleen. It is weird and strange for a woman to do so, at least forcefully and suddenly, but it is much worse and incredibly weird and strange for a man to do so forcefully and suddenly, for men have much greater muscle strength on average than women IRL, and forceful, violent rape are generally done by men, apart from general dominance, violence, violent murder, and violent threats.

(and don't claim that women have the same muscle strength on average as men, for that does an extreme disservice to women and makes it much more difficult for them to be prepared and aware and defend themselves. In (light-hearted and silly?) make-believe situations such as RPGs, who cares, but in more "realistic" situations... you do acknowledge that in real life, women have much smaller muscle strength on average than men, right?).
Varyon 27th Jun 2020, 9:31 PM edit delete reply
For humans, this is all certainly true, but we haven't seen enough of the Feynest inhabitants to know what degree of sexual dimorphism is present. Certainly, the elves seem to be somewhat androgynous, leaning toward feminine, meaning there may be much less difference in strength, making it less of an issue there. Additionally, the male fawn/satyr that kissed Colleen looks like he'd probably lose a contest of strength with the female fawn/satyr we saw a couple pages ago, although that could just be a difference in age (the messenger did look fairly young).
Don't forget, from what we can tell the culture of Feynest evolved largely absent of humans. I don't think Ozzi's reaction was entirely inappropriate here, given where he grew up (where, as you note, a man forcibly kissing someone could be a prelude to something much worse), but I suspect he'll calm down pretty quickly now that things have been explained. He'll probably be a bit crestfallen to find out Stella's kiss was just her saying "thanks" rather than her saying "OMG human rogue you are so hot," but I suspect he'll get over it.
Guest 27th Jun 2020, 11:17 PM edit delete reply
Varyon: It could also be the case that rape and sexual assault and the like are "normal" in the Feynest, which seems like a much more likely explanation than what you present here. And your explanation here does not explain multiple other considerable factors. Of course, this is an imagined world, so even providing slightly feasible theoretical explanations may well not be possible. But this kind of "thanking custom" is incredibly weird, even given what is described of this imagined world.

A satyr is also more "beastly", and in many settings more "mythical", though, given the female satyr in this setting, it may well be that they are more a "people" than "mythical". And satyrs are also associated with rape according to Wikipedia:

> They often attempted to seduce or rape nymphs and mortal women alike, usually with little success. They are sometimes shown masturbating or engaging in bestiality.

Satyrs are also described as "male" spirits, making them more mythical and not quite a "people" as far as I can tell. So, the given satyr being "rapey" makes sense (though it doesn't make it less wretched, especially in this part of the setting where it seems much more "people-like" and much less mythical). Fauns seem similar, though less sexual and more foolish, at least from what I can skim from Wikipedia.

And a lower level of sexual dimorphism (or sexual dimorphism in the other direction) would not exclude rape or sexual assault at all, instead simply make it more feasible for women to rape men. Which might make Stella's actions considerably/much more reprehensible and threatening, though she would still be the one to risk pregnancy (except elves and humans cannot interbreed in this settings as far as I recall, though maybe that will be changed reg. the setting or I remember wrongly - as I recall, the author wanted to avoid the "1/8 dragon 3/8 aquatic elf etc." stuff and the large tables reg. such from D&D).

> He'll probably be a bit crestfallen to find out Stella's kiss was just her saying "thanks" rather than her saying "OMG human rogue you are so hot," but I suspect he'll get over it.

Except she definitely sought to lure him, at least reg. her later actions. Whether she was/is "interested" in him at all is independent from her luring him.

As a sidenote, I don't want to know the level of STDs here, such as herpes............... hopefully these elves and satyrs are immune to all/most STDs and cannot spread them to non-elves and non-satyrs........

Finally, if this is a tribe, where are the children and the elderly in the tribe? Or will they come later? Or is that different for elves/satyrs in this setting? I didn't quite see them. The camp seem much more like "hippie"-inspired, but they also seem to be presented as a tribe. Though I might remember wrong with them not being a tribe. And the elderly might be old but still look young. And there is a surprising amount of variety for the elves, which makes sense for hippies but not necessarily so for a tribe as far as I can see (unless maybe there was a (widespread?) empire once? I don't know.).
Varyon 29th Jun 2020, 2:30 AM edit delete reply
"It could also be the case that rape and sexual assault and the like are "normal" in the Feynest, which seems like a much more likely explanation than what you present here." I mean, if you want to insist the Feynesters are a bunch of rapists instead of assuming the author is telling the truth, I guess you can do that. Are you going to be upset if a minotaur shows up that isn't the result of a queen bonking a bull her husband was supposed to sacrifice, just because that's the way it was in the original myth?
"Except she definitely sought to lure him, at least reg. her later actions. Whether she was/is "interested" in him at all is independent from her luring him." Eh, I think she could tell he was pretty stressed out but was a decent guy, so figured she'd invite him to the party to unwind. She also wasn't very insistent when he initially opted out; I'm pretty certain she was legitimately just trying to wipe the dirt off her bag, not lure him with dat ass, but I suppose the latter is possible.
"where are the children" Assuming this group brought kids with them, I'd imagine they put them to bed prior to having their party.
Guest 29th Jun 2020, 4:15 PM edit delete reply
Varyon: The author is not viewing another world and describing it, the author is constructing and building up another world, world creation, which can be extremely challenging and difficult. It is extremely easy to end up describing a world that in multiple different regards do not make sense (not considering stuff like magic). And thus, from the presentation of what has been constructed, what makes the most sense socially, "civilization"-wise, "mechanically", etc., taking into account the magic of the world and the alien histories, etc.?

See also and .
boar 27th Jun 2020, 12:40 PM edit delete reply
Now you know how I feel whenever somebody wants to shake my hands. Even worse than people just grabbing your hand are these reaching out and waiting, looking at you expectantly, putting preasure on you.

"I've got you now, do you want to feel disgusted and disturbed or seem like an ill-mannered asshole?" is what they must be thinking in their heads of evil.
someone 27th Jun 2020, 4:36 PM edit delete reply
Guest 27th Jun 2020, 9:23 PM edit delete reply
someone: Yeah, kissing on the cheek as a greeting between family and close friends is normal in parts of the world, but kissing on the mouth as a greeting is very different from kissing on the cheek, and kissing on the mouth as a greeting is incredibly rare and only between those that are close to each other as far as I know, and I have not heard about such a greeting between foreign strangers. The article you link to confirms this: "In rare cases, when the two leaders considered themselves exceptionally close, the kisses were given on the mouth rather than on the cheeks.[2]". Not just common people, but leaders, and leaders that were "exceptionally close", in no ways strangers to each other.
Darkening 28th Jun 2020, 2:13 AM edit delete reply
Yes, this is very weird by our standards, and Ozzi's, but you're trying to apply that to an alien culture shaped by inhuman entities like fey and elves that likely have entirely different standards on what is uncomfortably intimate for them. They certainly don't seem to have a lot of nudity taboo given how they're dressed. So while this could be a prelude to a dark, disturbing reveal, I suspect it's just the author trying to write a distinct fantasy culture.
BookWyrm 28th Jun 2020, 12:47 PM edit delete reply
Frankly it's not as weird as most people are making it out to be, its fairly common in several cultures to greet each other with a kiss on the cheek (even though if you are slow you can sometimes get an accidental peck on the lips) most people just laugh it off.
Guest 5th Jul 2020, 6:41 AM edit delete reply
Same gender kissing is called someone attracted to the same gender kissing. That’s it. There should’ve be anything weird about that idea
anon 26th Jun 2020, 10:33 PM edit delete reply
dinner first then kiss #nohomo
Rocktopus 26th Jun 2020, 10:40 PM edit delete reply
Does weed count as dinner?
Oldarmourer 26th Jun 2020, 11:11 PM edit delete reply
the salad course ;)
Guest 26th Jun 2020, 10:35 PM edit delete reply
Perfectly reasonable reaction. Might be a good time to say "That's extremely weird, no offense meant... sorry, but I am going to leave, have fun and take care." and leave their camp.

The most silly part of this is that I can imagine this being in a branch-dialog-including computer RPG with at least a bit of plot branching as well.
Guest 26th Jun 2020, 10:37 PM edit delete reply
See for instance this minutes-long part: , reg. kissing feet.
Guest 26th Jun 2020, 10:41 PM edit delete reply
Sorry about that, not the original stream, here is the original stream: .
Rocktopus 29th Jun 2020, 2:43 AM edit delete reply
lol I'm glad the comic is giving off the fantasy game vibe I was going for
Aimless 26th Jun 2020, 10:48 PM edit delete reply
Seems time-consuming if nothing else. There's probably some nuance to their customs but imagine the wood elf sitting next to you during dinner asking you to pass the salt. Bam, half-chewed-food kiss 'thank you'.
Rocktopus 29th Jun 2020, 2:45 AM edit delete reply
Hey, there is an etiquette to it! Like don't do it if your mouth is full of food!
Vulcan 26th Jun 2020, 10:58 PM edit delete reply
Surely this isn't the first time they've gotten this reaction...

They need to warn a guy first, some people won't take it anywhere near as well as he did, and violence could ensue.
I'll just put a name here 27th Jun 2020, 6:46 AM edit delete reply
We don't really know how much interaction they've had with humans since they only recently moved close to the city. Clearly they do know it's different in human cultures but maybe not how different or he just didn't think about it while stoned.
Rocktopus 29th Jun 2020, 2:46 AM edit delete reply
There are humans that live near the Feynest who are more versed in this custom. Ozzi is not one of those humans.
The Glass Alice 27th Jun 2020, 3:30 AM edit delete reply
Well dang, here I was hoping he'd be far less inclined to have a negative response just over the shape of a person in relation to their actions, almost like he's not led by his dick or something.
Bookeater_otaku 27th Jun 2020, 4:06 AM edit delete reply
Culture shock is a thing. Guess Ozi got pretty shocked.
Rocktopus 29th Jun 2020, 3:28 AM edit delete reply
Bookeater_otaku 27th Jun 2020, 4:08 AM edit delete reply
Eh, spotted the elf woman eyeing the knife the 'suddenly' angry man was holding at her eye level. Nice detail.
Rocktopus 29th Jun 2020, 3:28 AM edit delete reply
Glad you noticed
Guest 27th Jun 2020, 6:31 AM edit delete reply
Such a great webcomic. Shame the comments are always so crappy
Guest 27th Jun 2020, 11:03 AM edit delete reply
Dude you aren't wrong, but it is a great comic
Tooniator 27th Jun 2020, 2:32 PM edit delete reply
This. I do wonder if Pride Month brought the idea subconsciously to Brett, but there is no way to do an experiment.
Guest 27th Jun 2020, 3:07 PM edit delete reply
Pride Month? What is caring and consensual about this? And did the comments not also react strongly when the satyr forcefully and suddenly kissed Colleen? What would be "homophobic" about being against a satyr forcefully and suddenly kissing a young woman?
Guest 27th Jun 2020, 3:41 PM edit delete reply
True, a lot of comments are crappy here, but which comments is it that are crappy?

And the people organizing Pride Month tends not to care about homosexuals or bisexuals and the like, instead using them for their own goals. And a lot of homosexuals and bisexuals go along with it, not caring about the world or society overall, only themselves narrowly, and even then only in the short term. And awfully little time, energy and effort is used to combat NAMBLA and the like, such as in this picture: .

Why celebrate Pride Month when that time, effort and energy could be spent on combating things such as or ?

What are your thoughts on these images?: . Or will you seek to ignore them?
Rocktopus 28th Jun 2020, 2:33 AM edit delete reply
Hi there, can you guys please refrain from posting large images in the comment section? You are all free to discuss and debate your opinions as much as you like, I will not remove comments for your opinions. But please refrain from posting images that devour up the comment section. I will remove any such images equally, regardless of their content.

I have removed 1 comment from this thread for posting an enormous image that consumed the screen. Please note the comment was not removed for the views expressed within it. Feel free to repost the comment without the image. If you wish to post an image, please post links to images instead of directly embedding them, and please keep image and link posting to a minimum.

Thank you.
Guest 28th Jun 2020, 3:28 PM edit delete reply

So you censor things fully intentionally, and you lie about your reasoning and action as well.

Those images were posted in response to this comment:

"Nobody here's clicking your links to child porn. Give it up."

And you remove the comment that proved that it was definitely not child porn and prevented people from being discouraged and deceived into not looking into the images. Not giving a warning or similar first. Etc.

It is clear now that it was extremely wrong and irresponsible of me to ever help you or donate money to you. But that is my responsibility and my fault.

I am here reposting the images, rescaled, since they (unlike what was lied, distracted and manipulated about to an incredible degree by the other commenter) are not child porn at all.

[img width=100 height=100][/img]

[img width=100 height=50][/img]

[img width=100 height=200][/img]
Guest 28th Jun 2020, 3:49 PM edit delete reply


Guest 27th Jun 2020, 10:21 PM edit delete reply
Good job proving him right, lol
Guest 27th Jun 2020, 10:47 PM edit delete reply
"Good job proving him right, lol": Yet I didn't prove him right at all. And you distract from the arguments and don't provide any yourself. Would you happen to have any thoughts on these images?: . Or, as you did just now, will you seek to ignore them?
Guest 28th Jun 2020, 12:17 AM edit delete reply
Nobody here's clicking your links to child porn. Give it up.
Guest 28th Jun 2020, 3:29 PM edit delete reply
Seems I messed up the formatting.

[img width={100} height={100}][/img]

[img width={100} height={50}][/img]

[img width={100} height={200}][/img]
Guest 28th Jun 2020, 3:31 PM edit delete reply


Guest 28th Jun 2020, 3:32 PM edit delete reply
Image rescaling through the commands not supported or disabled.
Rocktopus 29th Jun 2020, 1:17 AM edit delete reply
Yeah, sorry, the image scaling command on my hosting site ComicFury doesn't work in the comments (or at least, I can't figure out how to get it working). I'll bring it up with the site owner this week. In the meantime, thanks for scaling it down yourself.

In the future, it's preferred if you post links to images on image hosting sits like Imgur and the like rather than embedding images directly into the comments. Thanks.
Guest 29th Jun 2020, 4:04 PM edit delete reply
Rocktopus: To be clear, the images were first posted as links, but another commenter claimed that the images I linked to were child porn, and so I embedded the images, in part to prove that the images were not child porn and in part to prevent him from discouraging people from viewing the images.
Guest 29th Jun 2020, 10:40 PM edit delete reply
Why the fuck do you think the comments section of a dungeons and dragons based webcomic is the appropriate place to post that shit? Fuck off. Go post that conspiracy theory garbage on Reddit and let the rest of us laugh at the hilarious hijinks of Colleen
Sturzkampf 27th Jun 2020, 8:20 AM edit delete reply
The Gentleman doth protest too much, methinks.
boar 27th Jun 2020, 12:46 PM edit delete reply
I would have felt the same but not found myself in the situation since I'd have retreated when the elven woman kissed him before. Kissed by a stranger is always bad to me, even without any social implications just for the things living in mouths.
Rocktopus 29th Jun 2020, 2:11 AM edit delete reply
Yeah, that would have been the more safe decision, but I doubt people in a medieval-esque fantasy world know a whole lot about germs
Darkening 28th Jun 2020, 2:18 AM edit delete reply
Oh man, I missed him pulling a knife my first look through. Ozzi's even more pissed than I thought.
Guest 28th Jun 2020, 2:29 AM edit delete reply
Ozzi did not pull a knife because of the kissing. He already had it out from when he helped the elf cut the thread.
Rocktopus 29th Jun 2020, 2:10 AM edit delete reply
This is correct, he already had that knife in the last page
melaredblu 28th Jun 2020, 3:27 AM edit delete reply
I would comment on how, since they have an elf in their party, he probably should have known a little of their customs, but given what we know about Sera's lineage, it's probably a fair bet that not all elvish cultures are quite as hippie-ish. In fact, I kind of wonder if Sera would have a similar reaction. This custom might be just as foreign to him--which would be hilarious, considering his, ah, "chosen identity."
Rocktopus 29th Jun 2020, 2:09 AM edit delete reply
lol I think you might be right
padanew 28th Jun 2020, 5:07 AM edit delete reply
I remember the first time i got an unsolicited kiss it was scary as hell.
Rocktopus 29th Jun 2020, 2:10 AM edit delete reply
I guess it depends on the context
padanew 29th Jun 2020, 2:45 AM edit delete reply
Let's just say It was not fun.
chuntuk 29th Jun 2020, 7:53 AM edit delete reply
Wait till Oz finds out how the elves say "thank you very much."
Dirk 29th Jun 2020, 4:16 PM edit delete reply
I dig it. Keep making your comic as you see fit. Ignore the people above that can't handle seeing two dudes kiss.
Oldarmourer 29th Jun 2020, 6:02 PM edit delete reply
people have the right to not read things that they don't like and go where they don't have to look at them...
if they choose not to exercise that right, they have the responsibility of being polite to the author...
there's entirely too much foolishness going on in the real world right now with people burning and destroying things just because they don't agree with them, we don't need it dragged into what the rest of us see as an entertaining work of well drawn fiction and ruin our appreciation of it.
unless they see elves in RL too ?
Hooves 1st Jul 2020, 10:45 PM edit delete reply
Sexy Elf boi could kiss me all he wants... but then I'm easy
Hooves jr 2nd Jul 2020, 4:36 AM edit delete reply
"Daaaaaad, stop embarrassing me!"
BornOnTheNinth 5th Jul 2020, 6:03 AM edit delete reply
I hope for Ozzie's sake none of these elves have mouth-diseases.
Zono 15th Dec 2020, 1:28 AM edit delete reply
Just curious - is this comic still alive?
Rocktopus 15th Dec 2020, 2:28 AM edit delete reply
Yes! I post a new page every single week.

You can see the latest page here:

Are you viewing the pages through the official site, or a third party site or application? That might be why you can't see the new pages.